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Discussion: (Hanoi vendeurs de rue)"Allez faire le trottoir ailleurs..."

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    Amoureux du Viêt-Nam Avatar de pure_paul_spoon
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    Par défaut (Hanoi vendeurs de rue)"Allez faire le trottoir ailleurs..."

    Ils dégagent les gens des trottoirs pour l'entrée des 4x4 au MAC DRIVE...



    Thousands fear peddling ban01:35' 07/01/2008 (GMT+7) VietNamNet Bridge – A famous cultural expert said Hanoi’s street side culinary culture impresses many foreign tourists. However, it may become a thing of the past if Hanoi authorities approve the draft regulations banning peddling.

    Everyday on Nguyen Trai Road in Thanh Xuan District, over ten rural women sell fruit from their bicycles. They don’t know Hanoi authorities are about to put them out of work.

    “We knew nothing! But how will they ban us? If we can’t sell here, we will run to another place. Policemen dismiss us everyday. We know that we obstruct traffic a little bit but we are poor and have to earn my living on the street. We don’t do bad things so we aren’t afraid!,” said peddler, Huong.

    Most street side sellers are poor urban or rural women. When they hear about the ban, it is evident they fear for their future.

    A fruit seller on Nguyen Trai Road, Pham Thi Phuong from Ha Nam province, said if the ban is passed, her family will die of starvation. Her family has only several hundred meters of cultivated land, not enough to feed their children. Both Phuong and her husband go to Hanoi to sell fruit on the street.

    Phuong said they earn around VND70-80,000 (US$4-5) a day selling fruit in Hanoi, enough for their family. “What will we live on if they ban peddling?” Phuong uttered.

    A couple from Hung Yen province, Do Van Vay and Do Thi Minh now have only 720sq.m of crop land, they were relocated for an industrial zone. They yield 600kg of rice a year. After each crop, the couple sells the product on the street in the capital.

    “This will kill poor people like us. Thousands of farmers in my district (Khoai Chau in Hung Yen province) peddle for a living in Hanoi. What will we if our livelihood is banned? We don’t have enough land. It is very difficult to work in industrial zones. Even if we got industrial zone jobs, we can’t live on VND500,000-VND700,000 per month, everything is getting more expensive!,” said the husband, Van.

    On Nguyen Trai Road, dozens sit on the pavement, selling bread. They all protest the Government’s pending decision.

    Le Thi Thanh, 55, a retired cobbler and widow, has a pension of VND940,000 per month. She has to support her daughter, a student. As prices are increasing everyday, Thanh sells bread on the sidewalk.

    “How can my daughter and I live on only VND940,000? The State must empathize with poor people like us,” she said.

    Mobile peddlers worry about the ban, also the owners of on-street restaurants. However, many peddlers said if the city passes the law, they will obey it.

    “We have to obey State policy but I hope they re-consider and think of poor people like us. If I can’t sell popcorn, I don’t know what I’d do,” said Sau, 56 a popcorn seller on Tran Duy Hung Street.

    “I have two children in school. My wife is sick so my family is living on these sweet potato cakes; but if the city bans peddling, I will obey, like with helmets,” said Nguyen Tuan, a peddler on Lang Ha Street, Hanoi.

    There are tens of on-street food shops along Chua Ha Road. Nguyen Bich Thuy, an owner of one, said sadly: “If the city bans peddling, at least 12 of my employees will be unemployed. I think the State should ban peddling during certain hours only”.

    The owner of Phi Hung food shop, small at 7sq.m, also said if the city bans peddling, he will not use the pavement in front of his shop anymore.

    Though the policy is supported by many, if it is implemented thousands of those already suffering from poverty will be increasingly afflicted.

    The Hanoi People’s Committee in late December 2007 held a conference to garner opinions on the draft ban of peddling on the city’s streets.

    Till now, food sellers are allowed to use the pavement from 5-8am and from 7-12pm. But if the new regulation is applied, sidewalks will be open to pedestrians only.

    At the conference, local officials showed their support of the ban, saying that, in fact, peddlers use the pavement the whole day and obstruct traffic.

    However, representatives of the Hanoi Department of Justice don’t agree, saying that food sellers on the street are mainly poor people and the ban will surely affect their lives. They asked the authorities to allow peddling during certain hours and in some areas only.

    This draft document will be amended and issued in early 2008.

    Vu Diep

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    serieux s'il vire les vendeurs ambulant on va se croire en france , s'a fais de moins en moins le vietnam d'avant...

    enfin wait and see

    il degage l'entré du mac drive pour ta lambretta pps?

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    Le Việt Nam est fier de toi Avatar de HUYARD Pierre
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    Par défaut WTO ?

    Citation Envoyé par pure_paul_spoon Voir le message
    Ils dégagent les gens des trottoirs pour l'entrée des 4x4 au MAC DRIVE...

    Vu Diep
    Pour pouvoir introduire la TVA partout, rentrer des impots sur les societes, vendre plus cher en un mot, il faut casser la concurrence deloyale des commerces informels qui cassent les prix, et les repousser dans la marge.
    Ve que di !

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    Le Việt Nam est fier de toi Avatar de HUYARD Pierre
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    Par défaut expropriation

    Citation Envoyé par pure_paul_spoon Voir le message
    Ils dégagent les gens des trottoirs pour l'entrée des 4x4 au MAC DRIVE...
    En fait, le probleme c'est la circulation en ville
    Le pourcentage de surface occupe par la voirie en ville devrait etre de 25 a 30% : on est tres loin du compte.
    Comme les petits commerces sur les trottoirs creent du stationnement et des ralentissements. On va donc leur demande de demenager.
    Au Vietnam ou les trottoirs sont de fait privatifs, chacun peut faire ce qu'il veut devant chez lui, c'est une petite revolution.
    Cela signifie qu'habiter sur un axe commercial ne donne plus le droit d'ouvrir un etal sur son trottoir. Le trottoir est devenu public! Donc, il s'agit d'une expropriation.
    Qui va remplacer demain les petits commerces qui genent le traffic aujourd'hui ? Les gros SUV qui font chier tout le monde. Il n'y aura plus qu'a mettre des parcmetres pour que le l'expropriation soit complete.
    Des pietons pas mieux lotis qu'avant, des petits revenus en moins pour les petits et des rentes de parking en plus pour l'etat et les villes.

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    Citation Envoyé par galoo Voir le message

    il degage l'entré du mac drive pour ta lambretta pps?

    T'es fou Galoo(c'est top ça rime)!Les meilleurs burgers du monde au Vietnam,
    c'est chez Mogambo dans le premier à Saigon.Tu peux m'inviter si tu veux...

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    Amoureux du Viêt-Nam Avatar de claudio
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    Mais dites moi tout ca ne serait pas pour favoriser l'implantation des supermarches au vietnam?
    voir l'analyse du cirad (ca date un peu,)
    sur http://www.cirad.fr/ur/index.php/nor...i/conso_distri
    en particulier les liens:
    - Muriel Figuié et Paule Moustier (Cirad - UMR Moisa & Malica). L'accès aux supermarchés est-il équitable à Hanoï ? [Enregistrement de la présentation en MP3 - (2,42 Mo)] [Diaporama de la présentation]


    a+
    Peintures lacquées du Vietnam sur www.galerie-xc.fr

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    Le Việt Nam est fier de toi Avatar de HUYARD Pierre
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    Draft regulations to strictly limit street food vendors in Ha Noi
    (26-12-2007)
    Peddlers sell fruit on Quan Thanh Street in the capital city. — VNS Photo Viet Thanh
    HA NOI — Thousands of street vendors in the capital city stand to run foul of a new draft regulation on street management which only allows vendors on unnamed streets and alleys.
    The regulations will be issued at the beginning of next year.
    The draft abolishes a previous municipal decision which makes it possible for food vendors to run business between 5am and 8am and between 7pm and midnight, as this would be against the road traffic law.
    Ha Noi People’s Committee deputy chairman Nguyen Van Khoi said roads and pavements were for traffic purposes only and not for business.
    He made the comments at a workshop organised last Friday to discuss the new regulations.
    Some officials said they were worried about the draft regulation’s impact on the lives of street vendors, who are mostly poor.
    Also, the new law could end the popular image of food stalls in the city’s Old Quarters and it’s streets bustling with food stall operators.
    The new draft also prohibits vehicles parking on street-beds, while bicycle and motorbike parking on the pavements must be authorised by the Department of Transport and Public Works.
    Households who want to use the pavements for weddings or funerals must ask for permission from the local people’s committee.
    Trade Department Director Nguyen Manh Hoang said clarification was needed over who was responsible for illegally parked vehicles.
    "In addition to the owners of the vehicles, shop owners and relevant organisations should also take responsibility for vehicles parked in front of their shops or offices," said Hoang.
    Khoi said each district would have to plan its parking sites to make it easier to license and monitor parking. — VNS
    http://vietnamnews.vnagency.com.vn/showarticle.php?num=02SOC261207

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    Le Việt Nam est fier de toi Avatar de HUYARD Pierre
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    C'est a mettre en paralelle avec cette information.

    Vietnam auto sales nearly double in 2007

    Motorcyclists pass a large billboard advertising a foreign brand car in Hanoi
    Vietnam automobile sales nearly doubled to more than 80,000 units last year compared to 2006, driven by a 128 percent rise in demand for passenger cars, manufacturers said Tuesday. Toyota topped the list of 17 manufacturers who make or assemble automobiles in the country with over 20,000 domestically-assembled units sold, followed by Truong Hai, GM Daewoo and Vinaxuki, they said.
    Total auto sales increased to 80,392 units from January to December, up 97 percent compared to the previous year, the Vietnam Automobile Manufacturers' Association (VAMA) said in a report.
    In December 2007 alone, sales volume reached 12,006 units, up 96 percent compared to the same month of 2006.
    Communist Vietnam, a emerging economy with 8.5 percent growth last year, moved from bicycles to motorcycles in the 1990s and is now seeing a rise in car ownership, especially in cities, despite high import tariffs.
    Source: AFP
    http://www.thanhniennews.com/busines...2&newsid=34873

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    Amoureux du Viêt-Nam Avatar de pure_paul_spoon
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    (Hanoi vendeurs de rue)"Allez faire le trottoir ailleurs..."
    Ils dégagent les gens des trottoirs pour l'entrée des 4x4 au MAC DRIVE...

    5 hummer limo x10m=50 metres de trottoir à Hanoi...(Saigon too)
    50 hummer limo x10m=500 metres de hummer sur les trottoirs...









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    Amoureux du Viêt-Nam Avatar de pure_paul_spoon
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    Là c'est clair et net à partir du 24 janvier à Hanoi,si vous avez une petite faim ou une petite soif:
    ça sera dorénavent(dorée de l'avant)KFC ou les supermarchés.






    Hanoi bans vendors as of Jan. 2410:45' 14/01/2008 (GMT+7) VietNamNet Bridge – As of January 24, 2008, tens of thousands of vendors will have to work under strict rules set by the Hanoi authorities. They will be banned from operating around schools, hospitals, and historical relics.



    They are also prohibited to sell goods around State agencies, the offices of diplomatic agencies and international organisations, airports, railways stations, ports, bus parks, and on means of public transport.

    Vendors can work on the pavements of some streets and roads and in alleys of Hanoi but they must ensure traffic safety and orders.

    Vendors are not allowed to disturb pedestrians or sell goods in the banned list. If they sell food, they must register to the local authorities and meet regulations on food safety.

    Ward authorities must have the list of vendors working on their areas.

    Before applying the new regulations on controlling vendors, the Hanoi People’s Committee made public the draft for comments and the draft regulations received support from most related agencies and experts.

    Hanoi Chairman Nguyen The Thao told the press that Hanoi will not abandon poor vendors. “Districts will have to suggest specific itineraries for managing vendors. However, vendors who come from other provinces need to prepare ideologically before the regulations take effect,” Thao said.

    It is estimated that tens of thousands of people are living by peddling.

    (Source: VNE)

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